Oh well, at least it's taken the difficulty out of the decision for when the government falls this autumn. Never voting for those fuckers again, even if Nick Brown is the alternative.
Hopefully the same will go for most other core Labour voters who, like me, made an unwise choice.
Fuck. Them.
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Tuesday, 11 May 2010
Thursday, 29 April 2010
Election Shitcast LIVE 1!one!!!
20:44 Highlights so far:
Tory leader complaining that there's not enough industry in this country.
Lib leader wishing that the three parties had more in common.
Brown's what-am-I-like gag fail.
BTW loved that workfare dig, DC. Nice to know that if I'm ever on the dole again I'll have to take whatever shit job they offer me, no matter how ill-suited it is. Cheers.
Oh, and that bit about how the boss of Marksies likes you. I'll definitely file that under relevant. And if I ever want advice on aggregate demand management I'll definitely ask a luxury food shop about it, rest assured.
20:47 GB got one in on the inheritance tax bit. Nice.
20:48 NC now getting GB for the same thing. Nice too, I suppose.
20:50 DC in favour of inheritance. What a shocker.
20:56 Sorry for being slow - they're deliberately doing tit for tat to keep NC out of the debate, aren't they?
20:58 NC 'by all means pay them lots of money but no bonuses'. I agree with the second bit, although the first should obviously read 'by all means have them shot'.
21:00 GB: bankers are massive fucking liars so it's important that we give them money.
DC: who gave our economy to the banks in the first place, eh? Eh?
Indeed, Dave. Who would have done that?
21:03 GB: DC wants to cut Corporation Tax.
DC: I don't understand the EU or the Euro, and I want to make that quite clear.
21:04 NC demanding the bank levy again. Good.
21:05 GB on the Tobin Tax. Also good. But which is best? There's only one way to find out...
... talk, it turns out.
DC: People with no history of debt have trouble getting loans.
Well no shit, Sherlock. Their credit rating will be low because they can't show they can handle debt well. It's called a fucking credit report. Jesus.
21:09 GB: I heart biotech in this region.
What about the NE Gordy? Where's the love? Where's that Centre for Life lovin'?
21:10 DC for some reason no one can fathom manufacturing seems to have been on the decline since the '80s.
If only someone in power had been able to stop them, 'eh? I'm really not sure this argument helps who he thinks it helps.
NC's point about sustainable development was pretty good.
21:12 NC: who'd have thought that bankers would turn out to be a bunch of selfish bastards?
GB: Universities yay *ahem*do not mention funding cuts to pay for Olympics*ahem*
DC: The government should buy things from my friends.
21:16 Question: if you have 9 energy ministers and 2 of them are the same person, how many energy ministers do you have?
21:18 Wow, what a great question from Joe McThicko there. Was there any point to that, other than to pre-empt Littlecock's next column? "Why do you love furrins and not work for us and do exactly what I want despite me not being able to articulate a coherent question, bitchez?"
21:21 Oh, immigration. Great. Because this NEVER comes up. Sweet Christ, why do we keep hearing from whining NIMBY fuckwads at the moment?
21:24 NC hates nasty people with crates of crime, apparently.
21:25 DC: NC can't get away from this 'amnesty' idea.
'Get away from' seems an odd way to phrase 'keeps saying he wants' but maybe that's just me.
DC and GB: the worst thing we can possibly do is behave in a humane fashion now. Because if we do that, we might have to behave well tomorrow, too.
NC: I am proposing an amnesty, but of course I will be treating people abused by the black economy as criminals, so settle down your Daily Fail aneurysm poppingness.
21:33 NC: I want 1-bed flats to house families.
21:35 Oh no, NC di'nt just mention Scotswood, I just KNOW he di'nt. Uh-uh.
21:41 I think I'm losing the will to live.
21:49 DC wants to give teachers a licence to touch kids. Fill in RC joke of your own choosing. Loving DC's 'heads need to be in charge' bollocks. Dear DC, heads are in charge. Ask any staff body whether the SLT have any problems enforcing diktat. What you mean is Gove's insane plan to start treating teachers as badly as the private sector treats its employees.
21:55 re DC and heads. 4,000 pages a year?!!!! eleventy!! How do those poor heads manage?
21:56 DC: I'm standing here for a simple reason - I'm too shit even to run my parents' multi-million pound empire. There will be difficult decisions, but hey, they'll never affect me or anyone I know. Change change change change change change change change change change change change.
21:58 NC: Boo! Just kidding. Change change change change change change change things can only get better it could be you.
21:59 GB: Thanks for coming to my show. We're all individual! Boo! No, really, boo. That's a Tory boo. A big scary boo. If we fuck you next year it's completely different from them fucking you now. *Psst* I don't like being the bad guy here, but those two are just rubbish. *rictus grin*.
22:01 David Dimbleby: *coffin-dry dust cough. Possibly some words. Hard to say.*
Tory leader complaining that there's not enough industry in this country.
Lib leader wishing that the three parties had more in common.
Brown's what-am-I-like gag fail.
BTW loved that workfare dig, DC. Nice to know that if I'm ever on the dole again I'll have to take whatever shit job they offer me, no matter how ill-suited it is. Cheers.
Oh, and that bit about how the boss of Marksies likes you. I'll definitely file that under relevant. And if I ever want advice on aggregate demand management I'll definitely ask a luxury food shop about it, rest assured.
20:47 GB got one in on the inheritance tax bit. Nice.
20:48 NC now getting GB for the same thing. Nice too, I suppose.
20:50 DC in favour of inheritance. What a shocker.
20:56 Sorry for being slow - they're deliberately doing tit for tat to keep NC out of the debate, aren't they?
20:58 NC 'by all means pay them lots of money but no bonuses'. I agree with the second bit, although the first should obviously read 'by all means have them shot'.
21:00 GB: bankers are massive fucking liars so it's important that we give them money.
DC: who gave our economy to the banks in the first place, eh? Eh?
Indeed, Dave. Who would have done that?
21:03 GB: DC wants to cut Corporation Tax.
DC: I don't understand the EU or the Euro, and I want to make that quite clear.
21:04 NC demanding the bank levy again. Good.
21:05 GB on the Tobin Tax. Also good. But which is best? There's only one way to find out...
... talk, it turns out.
DC: People with no history of debt have trouble getting loans.
Well no shit, Sherlock. Their credit rating will be low because they can't show they can handle debt well. It's called a fucking credit report. Jesus.
21:09 GB: I heart biotech in this region.
What about the NE Gordy? Where's the love? Where's that Centre for Life lovin'?
21:10 DC for some reason no one can fathom manufacturing seems to have been on the decline since the '80s.
If only someone in power had been able to stop them, 'eh? I'm really not sure this argument helps who he thinks it helps.
NC's point about sustainable development was pretty good.
21:12 NC: who'd have thought that bankers would turn out to be a bunch of selfish bastards?
GB: Universities yay *ahem*do not mention funding cuts to pay for Olympics*ahem*
DC: The government should buy things from my friends.
21:16 Question: if you have 9 energy ministers and 2 of them are the same person, how many energy ministers do you have?
21:18 Wow, what a great question from Joe McThicko there. Was there any point to that, other than to pre-empt Littlecock's next column? "Why do you love furrins and not work for us and do exactly what I want despite me not being able to articulate a coherent question, bitchez?"
21:21 Oh, immigration. Great. Because this NEVER comes up. Sweet Christ, why do we keep hearing from whining NIMBY fuckwads at the moment?
21:24 NC hates nasty people with crates of crime, apparently.
21:25 DC: NC can't get away from this 'amnesty' idea.
'Get away from' seems an odd way to phrase 'keeps saying he wants' but maybe that's just me.
DC and GB: the worst thing we can possibly do is behave in a humane fashion now. Because if we do that, we might have to behave well tomorrow, too.
NC: I am proposing an amnesty, but of course I will be treating people abused by the black economy as criminals, so settle down your Daily Fail aneurysm poppingness.
21:33 NC: I want 1-bed flats to house families.
21:35 Oh no, NC di'nt just mention Scotswood, I just KNOW he di'nt. Uh-uh.
21:41 I think I'm losing the will to live.
21:49 DC wants to give teachers a licence to touch kids. Fill in RC joke of your own choosing. Loving DC's 'heads need to be in charge' bollocks. Dear DC, heads are in charge. Ask any staff body whether the SLT have any problems enforcing diktat. What you mean is Gove's insane plan to start treating teachers as badly as the private sector treats its employees.
21:55 re DC and heads. 4,000 pages a year?!!!! eleventy!! How do those poor heads manage?
21:56 DC: I'm standing here for a simple reason - I'm too shit even to run my parents' multi-million pound empire. There will be difficult decisions, but hey, they'll never affect me or anyone I know. Change change change change change change change change change change change change.
21:58 NC: Boo! Just kidding. Change change change change change change change things can only get better it could be you.
21:59 GB: Thanks for coming to my show. We're all individual! Boo! No, really, boo. That's a Tory boo. A big scary boo. If we fuck you next year it's completely different from them fucking you now. *Psst* I don't like being the bad guy here, but those two are just rubbish. *rictus grin*.
22:01 David Dimbleby: *coffin-dry dust cough. Possibly some words. Hard to say.*
Thursday, 15 April 2010
Obligatory 'How Do I Vote' Handwringing Wangstfest
So, now the three suits have spoken, and a nation has shrugged, what have we learned? Three things really:
1) Whatever Nick Robinson says, this was about personalities and not policy. Because (a) there were very few substantial policy differences to discuss, and (b) this was a political beauty pageant, in which 3 men in suits were put up for 61 million people to gawk at, and then be asked what they thought about them (there was even a scrolling tickertape recording a live Ipsus Mori reaction to it, like the world's dullest lie detector test).
2) All three parties (a) hate public servants, and (b) hate them furrins.
3) The stare-eyed bloke who was sitting behind the BBC presenters discussing the real-time polling, looking like he's touching cloth, is probably already a YouTube hero.
Leaving us where exactly? I'm one of those who normally grits my teeth and votes Labour for fear of the other lot, but the MP in my constituency is such a massive cock that if I try to put the cross in the Labour box this time my own arm might rebel against me and punch me in the face for my presumption. Which leaves a choice of two, since TUSC aren't standing here.
CHOICE A: The Greens.
Not perfect but the best of a bad bunch by a long way, in that they have some policies I actively like, rather than am simply prepared to tolerate. Investment in public transport and raising taxation on the wealthy whilst lowering it for the poorest, for example, or abolishing PFI and decreasing class sizes. I'm prepared to ignore some equivocation in the preamble on immigration as the named policies are largely positive if limited, and a fluffily worded manifesto (cf Sarah Lucas' 'New Labour has its back to the wall in the far corner of the last chance saloon'). So inasmuch as anyone since RESPECT can meet this description, they're the ones I'd 'like' to vote for.
CHOICE B: Lib Dems.
Despite having only one policy that I actually like (and the Greens have that one too) - abolishing the ID card scheme - they're still not as bad as the other two in most respects. Their manifesto is quite annoying, lots of giving figures without references to projected receipts and borrowing, pointless pictures littering the document like a desperate financial pages editor, that sort of thing. Plus their policy on Royal Mail is clearly designed to privatise it, which is very shitty.
But here's the familiar old problem, the one faced by every voter with some kind of idea about the way they would like the world to be. Do you vote for the least of all evils or the least worst of the ones who might actually win?
Mark Steel summed this up neatly when commenting on Blair years ago:
'I know that there are those in the Party who still cling to the old-fashioned belief that we should at least aim to do something. Well let me say this: if you persist with this outdated rhetoric, you will lose us the election and we will never be given the opportunity to do nothing!'
If the Lib Dems do well, they won't do very much, but they might not be as bad as the other two will be.
On the other hand, there would be real change if there were a significant Green victory across the country (although there won't be). But, having been involved in fringe politics for a few years now, I know how important it is for the smaller parties for every increase in vote, because it helps when you're building your movement both to know that the support is there and to be able to show to those outside your base that the support is tangibly there.
In short, Meh.
1) Whatever Nick Robinson says, this was about personalities and not policy. Because (a) there were very few substantial policy differences to discuss, and (b) this was a political beauty pageant, in which 3 men in suits were put up for 61 million people to gawk at, and then be asked what they thought about them (there was even a scrolling tickertape recording a live Ipsus Mori reaction to it, like the world's dullest lie detector test).
2) All three parties (a) hate public servants, and (b) hate them furrins.
3) The stare-eyed bloke who was sitting behind the BBC presenters discussing the real-time polling, looking like he's touching cloth, is probably already a YouTube hero.
Leaving us where exactly? I'm one of those who normally grits my teeth and votes Labour for fear of the other lot, but the MP in my constituency is such a massive cock that if I try to put the cross in the Labour box this time my own arm might rebel against me and punch me in the face for my presumption. Which leaves a choice of two, since TUSC aren't standing here.
CHOICE A: The Greens.
Not perfect but the best of a bad bunch by a long way, in that they have some policies I actively like, rather than am simply prepared to tolerate. Investment in public transport and raising taxation on the wealthy whilst lowering it for the poorest, for example, or abolishing PFI and decreasing class sizes. I'm prepared to ignore some equivocation in the preamble on immigration as the named policies are largely positive if limited, and a fluffily worded manifesto (cf Sarah Lucas' 'New Labour has its back to the wall in the far corner of the last chance saloon'). So inasmuch as anyone since RESPECT can meet this description, they're the ones I'd 'like' to vote for.
CHOICE B: Lib Dems.
Despite having only one policy that I actually like (and the Greens have that one too) - abolishing the ID card scheme - they're still not as bad as the other two in most respects. Their manifesto is quite annoying, lots of giving figures without references to projected receipts and borrowing, pointless pictures littering the document like a desperate financial pages editor, that sort of thing. Plus their policy on Royal Mail is clearly designed to privatise it, which is very shitty.
But here's the familiar old problem, the one faced by every voter with some kind of idea about the way they would like the world to be. Do you vote for the least of all evils or the least worst of the ones who might actually win?
Mark Steel summed this up neatly when commenting on Blair years ago:
'I know that there are those in the Party who still cling to the old-fashioned belief that we should at least aim to do something. Well let me say this: if you persist with this outdated rhetoric, you will lose us the election and we will never be given the opportunity to do nothing!'
If the Lib Dems do well, they won't do very much, but they might not be as bad as the other two will be.
On the other hand, there would be real change if there were a significant Green victory across the country (although there won't be). But, having been involved in fringe politics for a few years now, I know how important it is for the smaller parties for every increase in vote, because it helps when you're building your movement both to know that the support is there and to be able to show to those outside your base that the support is tangibly there.
In short, Meh.
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